Do You Tell Aunt Mildred?
I have an honest-to-God confession to make. When I go to a cocktail party, I BEG, really and sincerely BEG, my significant other to tell people I am an actuary. I am not 100% sure what an actuary does except it involves numbers and predicting when you are going to drop dead so insurance companies can rate you before giving you life insurance, but it sounds dreadfully yawn-infesting. No offense to any actual actuaries who find their spreadsheets orgasm-inducing.
Why do I do this? I don't want to get stuck in a corner talking to someone who tells me their Great Aunt Mildred has a fabulous book that will be a GUARANTEED best-seller if only I will a) edit it and split the profits, or b) WRITE it for her based on her story idea and split the profits. If this sounds horrifying, it IS. And if you think it's rare, then you are drunk as you're reading this. Once you are a novelist--and have actually sold something people can buy at Barnes and Noble (that's the new question I get asked--self-published or can I really buy it at Barnes and Noble . . .?)--the Aunt Mildred factor comes out of the woodwork. I imagine even if you haven't yet published, if people know you write, the Aunt Mildred factor is alive and well. It happened to me two weeks ago and I cringed.
Okay . . . so in addition to this whole cringe-inducing problem, I have a spiritual faith that requires me to be compassionate. I must, must, MUST be gracious (which is why I pull the actuary routine and try to avoid it altogether). I will often feel compelled to read Aunt Mildred's tome. Now, as an aside, there are people who routinely read this blog who are writers and I HAVE read your stuff because we are online friends and that is different--you're writers pursuing this. YOU are not Aunt Mildred.
So the debate is . . . if Aunt Mildred has written something overrun with the passive voice, with no plot you can see, stilted dialogue, and a lead character who is laughably not grounded in reality . . . typos galore, POV hopping from sentence to sentence, do you tell Aunt Mildred? And, going a step further, if you try to coach Aunt Mildred, and she returns to you with the same horrific mess one month and a rewrite later, and if she reveals she has been taking writing classes at night for ten years (to which you wonder what is she learning), and she LOVES writing, do you let her happily toil, or do you say find a new hobby and stop wasting your time?
I have to say I was hired about ten years ago by a woman doctor who was writing about her family (a sort of Isabel Allende book) and I tried to tell her that it was unpublishable. She was so hostile, and so upset, and though I had been (I felt) gracious and honest, she said I had induced her to take to her bed for twenty-four hours with a migraine. Shoot the messenger, I guess.
The blog readers here--the regulars--run the gambit from brutally honest (you know who you are!) to more pep-talk-oriented. I myself try to honor anyone's commitment to writing. But is it a disservice? I know this is a difficult subject--so I am anxious to hear what everyone says.
Why do I do this? I don't want to get stuck in a corner talking to someone who tells me their Great Aunt Mildred has a fabulous book that will be a GUARANTEED best-seller if only I will a) edit it and split the profits, or b) WRITE it for her based on her story idea and split the profits. If this sounds horrifying, it IS. And if you think it's rare, then you are drunk as you're reading this. Once you are a novelist--and have actually sold something people can buy at Barnes and Noble (that's the new question I get asked--self-published or can I really buy it at Barnes and Noble . . .?)--the Aunt Mildred factor comes out of the woodwork. I imagine even if you haven't yet published, if people know you write, the Aunt Mildred factor is alive and well. It happened to me two weeks ago and I cringed.
Okay . . . so in addition to this whole cringe-inducing problem, I have a spiritual faith that requires me to be compassionate. I must, must, MUST be gracious (which is why I pull the actuary routine and try to avoid it altogether). I will often feel compelled to read Aunt Mildred's tome. Now, as an aside, there are people who routinely read this blog who are writers and I HAVE read your stuff because we are online friends and that is different--you're writers pursuing this. YOU are not Aunt Mildred.
So the debate is . . . if Aunt Mildred has written something overrun with the passive voice, with no plot you can see, stilted dialogue, and a lead character who is laughably not grounded in reality . . . typos galore, POV hopping from sentence to sentence, do you tell Aunt Mildred? And, going a step further, if you try to coach Aunt Mildred, and she returns to you with the same horrific mess one month and a rewrite later, and if she reveals she has been taking writing classes at night for ten years (to which you wonder what is she learning), and she LOVES writing, do you let her happily toil, or do you say find a new hobby and stop wasting your time?
I have to say I was hired about ten years ago by a woman doctor who was writing about her family (a sort of Isabel Allende book) and I tried to tell her that it was unpublishable. She was so hostile, and so upset, and though I had been (I felt) gracious and honest, she said I had induced her to take to her bed for twenty-four hours with a migraine. Shoot the messenger, I guess.
The blog readers here--the regulars--run the gambit from brutally honest (you know who you are!) to more pep-talk-oriented. I myself try to honor anyone's commitment to writing. But is it a disservice? I know this is a difficult subject--so I am anxious to hear what everyone says.


19 Comments:
I'd just like to say that you've insulted my future profession! LOL.
Actuaries predict future statistics. Like, they are the ones who calculate how average lifespan of a baby born in 2006.
But I've been told that I'm the only writer a fellow writer pal knows who thinks numbers are fun.
To answer your question, I'd simply say that I've deadlines and don't have time to take the manuscript. Saves me the trouble of suffering through the book, though I admit you might just find a diamond in the rough.
Hi Erica, glad you enjoyed the vac. and managed to slow the brain despite the disruptions.
An actuary? LOL doesn't sound like scintillating cocktail party chat to me. Mind you, neither does aunt Mildred ;-)
I believe it is possible to be brutally honest without being brutal. I've been critiqued at both ends of the spectrum--people who say such nice stuff that I know in my heart they are only trying to please me (not that I object to the stroking, but I am at a point where I turn stuff over for an HONEST opinion)--and people who have ripped me with nothing but generalizations. I have never once objected to a 'brutal' critique if it was backed by valid and specific points I could work with.
I think anyone who would take to their bed because they were given the honest opinion they asked for, lacks the intestinal fortitude to carry on with an upsy-downsy type pursuit like writing.
I've also critiqued writers I enjoyed and found easy to comment on and those that were so bad I'm left shaking my head and wondering what the hell possessed them to try and write when it is obviously such an unnatural thing for them. In these cases I am apt to offer a few specific comments and back away with a platitude like: "I'm glad you're enjoying the creative process, but I don't think I can offer you much feedback as your characters aren't particularly reaching me."
Cowardly? Or just a chronically polite Canadian?
I'm not even published yet, and this already happens to me! Worse than people who want us to read their work are the people who want us to write their stories for them. I usually put them off by saying that it will take me forever to get to it and they're better off joining a critique group who can give them the time and attention they need.
I agreed to read someone's work once. It was for my cousin who actually shows some potential. But I made sure upfront that she wanted a real, honest critique, not just a pat on the head. She said she wanted brutal honesty, so I gave it to her. She took it really well and is still writing, so I guess I didn't crush her ego!
By the way, Mary Castillo has a great line about this. She said that whenever someone says to her, "I've always wanted to write a book but don't have time," she responds, "That's funny, because I've always wanted to do brain surgery but never found the time."
Weez :)
milady:
I actual like numbers and theory and physics, but yeah, most people don't. I'm basically looking to avoid getting stuck in a corner. I've also said I sell life insurance.
I guess I have that chronic niceness. I AM too busy to look, but I will often try to anyway. Of course, now that I have been burned a few times, I am more likely to be frank from the get-go about not being able to take on reading a manuscript. But sometimes people are obtuse. I mean, I write four books a year, have FOUR kids, and volunteer, and had a baby a year ago, for God's sake. Isn't it kind of obvious it's an imposition. ;-)
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lainey:
Brilliant comment. YES! It takes intestinal fortitude. Look at the Bombshell line closure. I landed on my feet, but you have no idea how many authors didn't and are scrambling for a livelihood right now. It's not for the faint-hearted.
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louise:
I've used Mary's line, too. It's one of those great apocryphal lines that is priceless!
And you raise a great point. It is best up front to lay it out there and say, if I look at this, I'm going to be honest, so only give it to me if you're ready for that. I do the same before inviting anyone to my critique group. We are really tough on each other--BUT the caveat is find something positive to say, and be gracious. Some groups are really vicious--and not what I want. But that might be fine for a very competitive person. So . . . it's all in what you're seeking. Some people clearly hand you a manuscript wanting hand-holding.
E
I guess I believe in brutal honesty. I could have self-published my first novel or gone through a POD outfit, but I got enough opinions--from people in the industry who I respect--telling me the same things, that I knew I needed more work on craft before I was ready to publish. All these people also told me something that keeps me going: They said the writing itself is solid.
If the writing is okay, you can learn craft. There's no way, however, to fix bad writing, IMO. Either you have a knack for it, or you don't.
So... What should we say to someone who hands us a manuscript so poorly written that you know there is no hope?
I was asked by a couple of authors recently to read their manuscripts with a critical eye. Both authors are published through small presses. I think, in both cases, the authors were so eager to get into print that they neglected learning even the basics of craft first. I tried to offer thoughts on specific areas that could be improved, and I guess most people would say my comments were fairly brutal. However, I didn't tell them to give up. I encouraged them to keep going because, in both cases, I saw some talent there that just needs further development.
I'm not sure what I would have told them if I felt there was no hope. I don't think I could be that brutal, although I guess it's what some people need to hear.
I got my first Aunt Mildred story a couple of days ago. I smiled politely, nodded my head and zoned out. All at the same time.
I have come up with bogus job yet. But I'm sure it won't take me long.
Jude:
Good point. There is a difference between a teachable writer and something beyond hope.
One other thing I have discovered . . . I have been in larger writers' groups with the "Uncle Fred" type--he wants to read his stories about the Navy or the Coast Guard or the old police force--but he is not really interested in anything resembling a critique because all his buddies already say he is a genius. He just wants to hear himself read aloud. Writers like that also cannot improve--they're not interested.
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la:
Welcome to the Mildred Club.
:-)
E
I'm with Jude on this one--I believe in brutal honesty. I try to be as nice about it as I can and I never, ever tell anyone to stop writing (that's just...well, mean)...just to work harder and how they might improve. Some are better listeners than others.
And fortunately, I've had minimal Mildred moments (say that five times fast)
Heather:
May your Mildred Moments be minimal.
:-)
And I second someone here who said they encourage writers to find a critique group. Because there's yet another level to this conversation. I have had people hire me as an editor--that was my business for ten years. And I have honestly said to more than one, "You aren't ready for an editor of my caliber yet." As in they would waste money when they don't even have the basics down. They weren't ready and I wasn't going to take their money. A critique group is a lot cheaper as a learning tool. But there are definitely editors who will milk lots of money out of aspiring writers--even those with a less than zero chance of getting published.
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I've never had a Mildred/fred moment yet, however haveing an in-person writers group in a public place (coffee shop) does bring a few out of the woodwork.
Mostly I just tell people I'm a Unix Guru and Security Hacker. That opens up a whole other can of worms. At least I'm not giving anyone an excuse to ask me to read their manuscript.
I have a hard enough time trying to find the time to work on my own junk and the manuscripts I am committed to reviewing for both my writers groups.
Sorry about the spelling issues with my previous post - lack of sleep and lack of coffee are ganging up on me at the moment.
Ewoh:
Trust me, the longer you write, the more Mildreds and Freds there are in your future.
:-)
E
My first request to critique was from an Uncle Mort. I agreed to read his manuscript...all 80 pages of chapter 1, etc. I made suggestions, one of which included shortening, tightening, and dividing chapter 1 into multiple chapters. Alas, Uncle Mort didn't listen to me any more than he did his prospective agent, who chose to remain prospective.
I completely agree that it's important to have someone honestly critique your work. I work closely with my critique partner--if something I write sucks (in the bad way), she tells me. Good advice, Erica!
Kate:
Uncle Mort . . . i think I know him. :-)
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