Wednesday, February 20, 2008

Line in the Sand

I had an interesting conference call with my writers' group last night, in between hacking up a lung (I have a nasty cold). About the line in the sand. The line between a character who is curious, and one who is Too Stupid To Live (TSTL). The line between sympathetic . . . and doormat. Between feisty and obnoxious. Writers all walk the line.

An example? I don't know if there are any devoted Law & Order fans who read this blog. But I watch them all in re-runs, sometimes when I am knitting, or too mentally exhausted to read. And my best friend watches them, too. And neither of us can abide the new redheaded partner of Chris Noth. In fact, I hate this character so much, that not only do I not know her name, but if I even SEE her obnoxious little freckled-face on my screen, I take it as a sign I really should be reading the physics book on my bedside table and not wasting time watching TV. I turn it off. The producers have seriously miscalculated, I think, and my friend and I both love the show.

In my current work in progress, I have a very inner character. She has been wounded by tragedy, by her childhood. And I know I walk the line between realisitcally representing someone hurt by life . . . and her being a doormat.

I have, in that same work in progress, a mean character, someone who does something so awful. And I walk the line between her just being horrid . . . and her being a cariacature. I was very relieved last night when one of my group members said, "I hate her, but I think I'm in her head enough to understand what her motivation is. Why she does this." And maybe, I decided, that's what we need to express as writers. The motivation.

In my second Billie Quinn book, Billie goes into a house where her father may or may not be trapped with a serial killer. Billie is not stupid. She HAD a cop with her, and they COULD have waited for backup, but I thought it was a completely realistic motivation for her to race in to save someone she loved. Versus, say, a slasher flick, where a TSTL character, usually in a low-cut shirt and no bra, or better yet, a nightie, will go exploring the house with the serial killer in it, USUALLY without turning on the lights.

As an editor, I expend a great deal of red ink writing "WHY?!?!?!?!" in the margins of manuscripts. Readers will forgive a lot for a motivation we understand. PLOT should not drive your characters' decisions, MOTIVATION should. Then we are willing to walk that line in the sand with you. There is a big difference between the two.

Going back to the redhead? Part of what I can't abide are characters who are uniformly nasty to everyone, who walk around with a chip on the shoulder. I won't abide it for 60 minutes of a TV show, for two hours of a movie, for 300 pages of a book. I might forgive it if I understand why. But just plunk her into a favorite show and have her behave that way? Nope.

So tell me . . . do you find yourself tweaking your characters to manipulate the motivation, to make their line in the sand clearer? Are there types of characters you can't abide? Thoughts on motivation versus plot? Do you walk a line in the sand?

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Blogger Mark Terry said...

I enjoy Kathy Reichs' Temperance Brennan novels a lot (and enjoy the TV show "Bones" even more, which has almost nothing to do with the books that inspired it), but one of the things that drives me crazy (aside from Reichs' over-use of coincidence as a plot device) is how Tempe will, in almost every single book, do something really, really, really stupid.

Go into a cemetery at night alone during an electrical storm to pursue a serial killer.

Chase a potential bad guy into a biker bar by herself.

That sort of thing. I'm all willing to say, "yeah, she's smart, well-educated, thinks she's tough and can handle herself," but some of this stuff is just STOOPID. And it just doesn't make sense unless you think the character has some kind of impulse control disorder.

7:33 AM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger ChristineEldin said...

*shudders*

The female character in Law and Order, Criminal Intent was like that the first few seasons. Da man knew everything, while she hung around bobbing her head in approval. Oh I hated that. But they changed the format.

8:08 AM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Jude Hardin said...

The trouble we get into sometimes, I think, is not effectively communicating our characters' motivations. The motives might be perfectly clear in our minds, but if the reader is left baffled then we have failed.

I think it sometimes requires an analytical approach to action, asking WHY the character is doing what s/he is doing and then trying alternate scenarios until the action and motivation are a close match.

8:18 AM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Mark:
I haven't read those, but I have read plenty of other books where I am like "Yeah, right." Movies, too, of course. And TV.

I would be motivated into a dangerous situation by a loved one in danger or something along those lines. I have done some "stupid" things (like go into projects where I really had no business being--around drug dealers and things) by my volunteer work, which is a calling. I know I am foolhardy then, but MOST of the time I will take a muscular someone along with me.

Some people are adrenaline junkies. But then THAT has to be clear in a book. Most of the time, as you say, it just seems randomly dumb.

E

8:29 AM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Christine:
Yeah, she's feistier now (the character of Eames). But this new chick is just RUDE. And I can't imagine why I would want to tune in to rude for 60 minutes.

E

8:30 AM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Jude:
I'm not an analytical writer . . . so I tend to go with my gut, move them along, and then add in motivation clues if I need to. But yeah, if it's not clear, we've failed.
E

8:31 AM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Edie said...

I'm the same way. If a character is unlikeable or obnoxious, I won't watch her or read her. In the first show of Holly Hunter's Saving Grace, she slugged a guy who was at least a foot taller than her, just because he was coming on to her. I didn't believe it, and I didn't like her. The show lost me right there.

A former CP had a passive character. Her writing was great, but the character wasn't. She wouldn't give it a backbone, saying it was part of the character arc. The character had motivation to be depressed, but I still disliked the character. At least plant the seeds early on that the character has a spine -- otherwise who would want to spend time with the character?

8:51 AM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Marcia Colette said...

One of my crit partners did something similar to Edie's. Although the heroine was interesting, I found her reacting in ways that made me question her motivations as the story progressed. I knew where my crit partner was taking her heroine's arc because I had read the synopsis. However, she had missed a great opportunity to show character growth. At that moment, I had lost my initial zeal for her story. All it took was one sentence to set me straight. I was back in the groove and ready to go along with the character on her journey.

10:32 AM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

edie:
At your blog you've often brought up establishing that "sympathy" factor early on. It IS very resiky to create a character no one cares for from the get go.
E

11:47 AM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi marcia:
We must love our characters--but we can't be blind to how others receive them and expect that readers are going to be so curious or fascinated that they keep going no matter what we do.
E

11:48 AM, February 20, 2008  
Anonymous LaDonna said...

I remember a character once on 24. One season had a dynamic set of characters working at CTU. The next season, the head of that department was highly unlikeable. It was a woman, and initially I was excited at the prospect. She totally changed the dynamics, and came on way too strong. It was an overkill, and changed everything. Kinda like Edie's Saving Grace role. I hung in because, of course, every season new characters show up. Really made an impression on every little nuance of a character for me.

12:32 PM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Ladonna:
It's not just the main character to worry about but the tipping point of the supporting cast around him or her.

E

2:47 PM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger spyscribbler said...

I can't stand TSTL. I get really snarky, and the worst of me comes out and I start ripping the plot, writing, and characters to shreds.

But I keep it to myself. And I subject my own stuff to the same treatment now and then, so it's fair. :-)

2:57 PM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

spy:
Yeah . . . TSTL moments kind of are a pet peeve. As are my big WHYs?!?!?!

And the big WHYs?!?! (and maybe this is a blog post and not a comment) can include, for example, introducing way to many characters in chapters one and two . . . and then discovering that half of them drop out of the book, that they are secondaries with no purpose.

Keep it close is my motto. But anyway, yeah . . . certain things, when I edit, are big red flags for me.
E

3:02 PM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger spyscribbler said...

And I hope you feel better soon! Do you guys have the same virus we do, here? It seems all the moms are getting it, but not the kids. Weird.

3:57 PM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Spy:
I think I am just sooooooooo rundown. Today, for the first time in a long time . . . I woke up in pain--on a scale of 1-10, my joints were screaming at about an 8. It's cold . . . and DAMP, and virus is kicking my a**, and so the Crohn's disease is reminding me that yes, it's lurking. But I'll kick ITS a** and feel better soon, I hope.
E

6:05 PM, February 20, 2008  
Blogger Zoe Winters said...

LMAO @ "too stupid to live" characters.

Bizarrely the character I find most personally annoying is Buffy, and yet anyone who knows me knows I'm a complete psycho fan. I was always a big buffy and spike fan. But Buffy, by herself, as a character? Funny at times but way too self righteous, too big of a martyr. I just wanted to beat her with a stick. Mostly when she was doing something stupid with regards to spike (like kicking his ass)

Also, thanks for writing that about Plot vs. Motivation, when you said those words (err wrote them), that really crystalized some stuff for me. I've heard people saying plot shouldn't drive it and I was confused, like what the heck is SUPPOSED to drive it then. When you said motivation in that context it was like "lightbulb" duh. And the whole thing makes so much more sense. I'm also clearer on character vs. plot driven if character driven is about motivation.

12:42 AM, February 21, 2008  
Blogger Suzanne Perazzini said...

Hope you feel better soon, Erica. I always learn something from your posts and have enjoyed the thoughtful comments as well.

12:49 AM, February 21, 2008  
Blogger Stephen Parrish said...

Hope you feel better soon, Erica. I always learn something from your posts and have enjoyed the thoughtful comments as well.

What she said.

2:12 AM, February 21, 2008  
Blogger Beth said...

I hate the red head too. Did you know that she used to be Sybil Shephard's daughter on her show Sybil? She was much better on that show.
I have a character in the book I'm writting now who is going to let down the heroine in a big way. At first I thought she was too mean/cold but she just got a scene (that I didn't plan) where you see a different side of her and her friendship with the herione. It makes her more human I think. And their relationship more real so that when the let down happens hopefully readers will get why she was motivated to do it.

2:45 AM, February 21, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

zoe:
That precise (Buffy/Spike) thing is why I won't watch most romantic comedies. EVERY PERSON in the movie can see the obvious, except for the two idiots who keep fighting with each other.
E

6:41 AM, February 21, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Thanks Suzanne and Stephen:
The flu is getting pretty widespread here . . . and every other germ under the sun right now.
E

6:41 AM, February 21, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

beth:
I think those scenes make books a lot more relevent--more about us ALL than these two or three people we're writing about.
E

6:42 AM, February 21, 2008  
Blogger Zoe Winters said...

hehe Erica, well at least in Buffy's case, her first vampire boyfriend had a soul and turned evil after she slept with him and Spike was evil to begin with, so...I might have been hesitant to trust too, but if he wanted her dead she would have been dead one of those nights she slept over. She obviously trusted him enough to fall asleep in his vicinity.

Okay stopping now before I need a Buffy 12 step program.

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