Monday, June 02, 2008

Lies

A couple of years ago, I was invited to attend a lecture given by an FBI profiler. It was rather fun--each of us in the audience got a remote control-looking thing with A/B/C/D buttons on it. We were shown a clip of a real-life situation the FBI was involved in. One was a scene of panic--an arson case. One, if I remember correctly, was about drug dealing. There were a few others. In any case, in each clip, SOMEONE was lying and we have to press the buttons in answer to the questions. Most of the questions were simple. "Is this person telling the truth?"

I didn't do so well.

In fact, most of the audience did abysmally. EXCEPT a scattered handful of teens (more on that later).

Then we were able to listen to the lecture of WHY person x or y was lying. And WHY we failed the test. These are a few things I learned . . . .

Most adults have an internal voice that tells them "trust/don't trust." But on a subconscious level, because we have been trained to have manners, we talk ourselves out of it. We think, "I shouldn't think this person is lying because his race is different from mine, or he dresses like that." We are so busy, internally, second-guessing our decision that we often don't come up with the right answer.

Teenagers, who haven't yet matured enough to give a crap what anyone thinks, are EXCELLENT profilers. In fact, when the FBI chooses profilers, they are statistically speaking the youngest recruits. By 28, most profilers' careers are finished. They move on to other things . . . (obviously some don't--but most profilers are MUCH younger than any of us would picture).

Simplest lies are best. Professional liars know this. Good liars know this. BAD liars give more information than they need to.

In fact, liars sometimes are SO overcompensating, they will make that ONE mistake, that obvious mistake and get caught. For example, they might say, "I wasn't home at the time. I didn't even HEAR the alarm." When, in fact, if they weren't home, how would they KNOW the alarm went off.

There is some physiological measurement of lying. Sweating, eyes darting upwards. Blinking too much.

So here's what I know. Don't lie to me.

Here's also what I know . . . many liars have a "tell."

And here's another . . . when writing characters who lie, it's a tricky thing. I had one major character in one of my books lie, and readers didn't find out until a plot twist 50 pages from the end. Readers were irate. THEY don't like being lied to any more than we do. Yet, sometimes, we have to have those lies in there for plot.

Thoughts?

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Blogger Ello said...

I noticed this too that habitual liars always lie in grandiose ways instead of sticking to small things that you can't get caught on. It's like that Saturday night skit with John Lovitz (love him!) and his wife Morgan Fairchild!

10:25 AM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Ello:
I know . . . I think people add more and more details so it sounds authentic. But truth is usually--1) So strange it can ONLY be the truth because who would make it up? or 2) so ordinary and simple . . . it just "is." It's rarely, I don't think, a big long explanation.
E

11:06 AM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger spyscribbler said...

I think lying is SO insulting. I don't know if it's my musician's ear or the fact that I'm a teacher (teachers get lied to ALL the time, especially by parents), but it's really obvious when someone is lying. But what choice do you have when someone lies to you?

Mostly, you have to sit there and listen to the lie. At least in the case of parents, because they're footing the bill (I don't have any at the current moment, thank goodness). So you're sitting there listening to this lie you know is a lie, while someone insults your intelligence, having to pretend you're stupid enough to believe it, and ... okay, I could go on for hours.

Almost all kids go through a short phase of lying about homework or whatever, as an effort to get out of trouble. I nix that right away. They lie out of fear, but then they learn they get my respect if they tell the truth.

The FBI should be recruiting teachers. We get TONS of practice. Helps in poker tournaments, too. :-)

11:45 AM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Spy:
LOL! Yes . . . music teachers by day, profilers by night.

I think I used to lie a lot more when I was a teen when I was afraid to hurt someone's feelings. Now I realize it's just more decent to say "no," or to be frank.
E

11:58 AM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger Mark Terry said...

I bet if you asked everyone at that talk before they blew the survey whether or not they thought they were good at evaluate lies, they would all say they were good at it.

I used to think I was a good evaluator of people, but the seminal experience was first meeting someone who I thought was a bitchy, arrogant woman, then once I got to know her and work with her we became close friends. As a result, I'm a lot less quick to judge. I try to keep it in neutral until I get to know them.

I also accept that for years I was working a job I hated and I must not have been a particular treat to be around, so trying to figure out the whole picture helps. Sometimes people just have a lot of shit going on in their lives.

As for liars, either I'm not very good at telling if my kids are lying to me, or they don't lie much to me. My wife in particular has tried to enforce to them that lying about things will get them in more trouble than telling us what they did to screw up. This came about when my oldest son was bombing tests or homework and not telling us about it. We tried to reassure him this was a problem we wanted to fix, not punish him for.

2:01 PM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger Merry Monteleone said...

Okay, sometimes the grandiose liars can be kind of fun, especially if they're the type that's really just embellishing a story to make it more entertaining, rather than lying to pump themselves up or get away with something.

I waver back and forth, sometimes I can be quite gullible because I just don't see a reason for the person to be lying, or don't care if they are... sometimes I can be a lot less trusting, especially with people who I know lie to me - like spyscribbler, in certain cases I take being lied to very personally, it's tantamount to calling me an idiot... though I'm not usually polite enough to let it go.

My husband has no tell, by the way. I figured this out about three years in. Don't remember the exact circumstance, but I only knew he was lying because I knew factually something he said was innaccurate (I'd heard some part of the story from someone else already, I think)... Well, the more often I caught him lying, the more annoyed I was that physically, I couldn't tell... He didn't look away, no blushing, looked me dead in the eye, no over-embellishing... nada.

So I started to call him on lies when I knew he was doing it, except I told him he had a tell. I told him his ears turn bright red whenever he lies...

The power of suggestion is a wonderful thing - now whenever he lies he cocks his head to the side, one shoulder going up toward his ear... heh... he might be able to lie baldface, but he definitely can't out think me.

2:43 PM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

mark:
I feel like I can tell when people are lying, but yes, that lecture taught me quite a bit.

As for kids lying, I always say, I can't fix it if you don't tell me what it is. Usually, it worms out one way or the other. But I also know with kids #2, 3, and #4, I am more of a hard-ass. Unusual (usually parents get easier) but I made a LOT of mistakes with kid #1 . . . so lucky for the others, mom's now MORE of a bitch.

:-)

2:55 PM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger raine said...

You're right.
Usually my first instinct about whether someone is lying or not is spot-on. And then, maybe a split second later, I begin second-guessing myself, chastising myself for being 'judgemental', etc.
Body language, "tells", and instinct are important when deciding.

The worst kind of liars are those who think they can get away with it because they're smarter than everyone else.
The most INTERESTING kind are those who've persuaded THEMSELVES that their lies are true...

2:57 PM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Merry:
Like you, I am often bowled away by the easy lies people will tell . . . for no reason (versus that sort of humorous embellishment).

E

3:07 PM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

raine:
Like OJ? Yes, yes, yes. They say you can beat a lie detector if you believe your own lies--really believe them.

Some people justify their actions for so long, that after a while, they are convinced their morally bankrupt choice is the ONLY choice.

E

3:08 PM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger Jude Hardin said...

The best way to live is to avoid putting yourself in positions where you're compelled to lie. Don't do the crime, and then you'll never have to lie about not doing it.

Otherwise, I think the occasional fib or white lie--to protect another's feelings or whatever--is preferable to the truth and in everyone's best interest in many cases.

8:04 PM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger Zoe Winters said...

Hopefully they're pissed off at the character and not projecting the anger onto the writer. :)

This reminds me of the movie "Crash" when Sandra Bullock's character said something about seeing two big black guys coming toward her, and her instinct was to turn and walk the other way, but she second guessed it because such an action was "racist" and so she ended up getting mugged.

It obviously wasn't "because they were black" but the situation warranted turning and going in the other direction. I would have turned. Not because they were black, but because they were men. Bigger, badder, and stronger than me. Doesn't mean they want to hurt me or plan to hurt me, but if I don't KNOW you, I have no way of knowing what your intentions are.

If you're white and female and bigger and tougher than me, and we're in a dark alley and you're looking a little squirrelly, I'm turning. Hell, if you're just looking squirrelly I'm turning even if I could take you on a normal day. Cause if you're hopped up on some drug you aren't highly predictable except that it will likely go badly.

There are lots of predators, and the easiest prey is the prey that fears looking foolish and second guesses the warning bell in their head.

8:58 PM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger spyscribbler said...

Ohmigosh, Merry, that is hilarious. DH's voice goes ... thinner, but I can't read him at poker, unless I get him talking.

There's another tell ... some liars put out an energy where they want to know whether or not you believe them. They wait, perk up their ears.

12:58 AM, June 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Jude:
Agree on fibbing. Though I suppose that depends on what some people call a fib.
E

7:55 AM, June 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

zoe:
I feel the exact same way!!! I have tried to live my life free of racism, but I definitely haven't lived my life free of fear of men in some situations. I have seen, up close, too many frat boys gone wild that just turned my stomach, or just a bunch of over-steroided jerks on the subway. I once had a skinhead really threaten me on a subway car and it was terrifying. So yeah, I'm crossing the street.

E

7:57 AM, June 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

spy:
See? Men think they're gettin' away with something. But we can tell. ;-)
E

7:57 AM, June 03, 2008  

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