Sunday, July 13, 2008

Deep, Dark Weird Confessions

I am not a serial killer.

But I save very weird trophies of my children's lives. I saved a huge envelope of hair from yesterday's colossal haircut (see previous post). I save baby teeth. I even saved the teeth Baby Girl got extracted last year, roots and all (VERY gross). It's vaguely embarrassing. Occasionally, while going through a junk drawer in our kitchen, a person looking for, say, batteries, might find an envelope with a tooth. "Oh . . . gimme that," I'll say.

I save notes they wrote me when they first could write letters. "Dear MOM, I luv u, luv, your son, FIRST NAME . . . LAST NAME"--they always write their last names when they first learn to write, and add the "your son," or "your daughter" as if I take in hordes of urchins and won't remember who's who. Maybe it's because none of their last names match mine and instead match their fathers' and they want to be sure I know WHICH kid it is. But either way, the notes are saved.

I saved this strange ceramic animal I got for Mother's Day when Oldest was in first grade. It's a bird, but it looks like a turtle. It won't stand upright, so I have to lean it against my bookshelf, supported by a hardcover copy of The Chicago Manual of Style.

In the drawer where I keep my bras, I keep the first bracelet Oldest Daughter made me. It is a cardboard masking tape roll (masking tape removed) covered with glued-on bits of tissue paper in a raibow of colors. I don't know why it is saved in that particular drawer, but it's been there for years, and every once in a while when I see it, I smile.

In short . . . Moms do weird things. We save weird things. We are, in fact, weird. Or maybe it's just me.

But writers are the same. If you go through the 670+ posts of this blog, and all the comments, you will find MANY (not just a few) where someone writes, "I needed to read this today. I am printing this out and taping it to my computer/my mirror/my refrigerator." We writers comb the Internet for inspiration like that. Funny . . . but I really don't think CPAs are combing blogs and searching for Accounts Receivable quotes of inspiration to tape to their bathroom mirrors to get them through the day.

Other weird things? We eavesdrop. Me, who . . . just yesterday made sure they charged me MORE for Oldest's haircut because he's older than a "junior" at the haircutting place and I told them so instead of letting them think he was younger . . . who strives to be honest . . . Yes, I eavesdrop constantly, squirreling away dialogue and stories like nuts for a long winter.

In my purse, I have scraps of quotes, ideas, and scribbled half-thoughts. I cry over fake people. When I killed off a certain someone at the end of a book . . . I cried. He was FAKE. He's not REAL!!!! I still mourn him.

I laugh as I type sometimes. Oh, those characters give me good laughs--um, yes, I am writing it, but THEY are funny, not me.

I invent family trees for families that don't really exist.

So in the spirit of good fun . . .

Step right into the Confessional Booth. "Reverend Erica . . . it's been 5 years since my last confession . . . ."

I promise if I can't absolve you of your weirdness, at least I will commiserate.

What weird writer things do you do? And what weirdness do you save in your real life? (I have an entire can of "fat" from making spaghetti sauce and meatballs in my freezer . . . it's like a friggin' heirloom.) And be forewarned, the person who posts here as Hannibal . . . I already anticipate some weird thing you'll post that you save, so I beat you to it. :-)

Peace,
E

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Blogger Aimless Writer said...

I have bins in the attic, one for each kid. I put all those weird things I save in there. (Okay, some stuff is still floating around in drawers and cubbies but it will make it there eventually)

Confession:Whenever I'm out in the general public. Waiting on line, driving in the car, even shopping; someone will catch my eye and the stories start rolling in my head. Usually about murder, bodies in the trunks of cars, plots to get rid of a rival, what they would do to protect their deepest secrets.
Do you think I need therapy??? lol

8:03 AM, July 13, 2008  
Anonymous Amy Nathan said...

As a mom...I save moments. I am always saying "remember when..." I often feel like I don't have many childhood memories that involve my parents or my brother, and I'm not sure why except that although it was a loving family, perhaps it wasn't interactive. Don't know. I also save anything my kids make (or have made) that isn't paper -- like the ceramics or the clay or the wood.

As I writer, I collect moments as well. Just yesterday I jotted down (do you jot down when you write on a laptop?) ideas for a new book. A moment in my day gave me an idea, so I wrote it down, along with accompanying thoughts. I also collect names. I'm horrible at coming up with names -- so when I hear one, I write it down...so when I need a character name I can go back to it. I also have a list of pseudonyms for myself, should I ever need one!

I believe that for me, saving these moments, names, dialogue, thoughts, whatever -- when I write them down -- I'm merely making more room in my head!

8:12 AM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Aimless:
As I shared a few weeks ago on the near-murder I committed (by accident--wink, wink) . . . yes, my mind TOTALLY works like that. I often wonder what would happen if I ever took a lie detector test. "Have you ever thought about murdering someone . . . .?"

E

8:18 AM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Amy:
I collect names, too. I used to work in nonfiction publishing, so I often found the REFERENCES sections of English texts, scientce texts, etc. to be excellent sources of names!!

E

8:19 AM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Travis Erwin said...

I collect skulls. Most are ones I've found while hunting and hiking in the woods.

And the weirdest thing about my writing is that while I am disorganized in nearly facet of my life , I am anal about my writing and rive myself crazy by never being satisfied or saying that's good enough the way I tend to do in other things in my life.

9:27 AM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger spyscribbler said...

I definitely eavesdrop, but other than that, I'm pretty sure I'm not that interesting. I work through my stories in my head, so sometimes DH and I will be driving down the street, and I'll be deep in my world, and DH will make some random, conversational comment. And I'll totally snap at him and tell him I'm working and not to bother me or I'll forget what I'm thinking.

Later, I'll realize how in the world could he have known? I was just sitting there looking out the window, LOL.

He's a very patient man.

10:22 AM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Barbara Martin said...

Erica wrote: "When I killed off a certain someone at the end of a book . . . I cried. He was FAKE. He's not REAL!!!! I still mourn him."

Your character was real to you. You brought him from a nothingness state to your mind, created his characteristics, behaviour, manifesting his existence if only for your manuscript.

11:00 AM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Ello said...

Hey Erica! I have a lot of reading to catch up with you! You have been prolific while I have been out of commission. All great stuff and I love the pics of the boys! They are too handsome! The girls will be crying over them!

So I am a terrible habitual eavesdropper and people watcher. I am also a big daydreamer. That's where most of my wild crazy ideas happen - from a combination of all 3.

Plus I save all my kid's baby teeth, don't know why. Otherwise, I am not a packrat at all. I am a throw awayer!

11:38 AM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Kath Calarco said...

I have a cup in the medicine cabinet holding my kid's wisdom teeth. Ya never know, she may need them back one day.

Taped on a wall in my bedroom is a note in crayon from my kid that says, "Mom! I love you so, I always will." Ya never know, one day she might forget that she does .

And tucked in the back of my jewelery box is a shopping list that says, "oil of Olay, Imodium, milk, cards, Dan, Stephen, Kathy, Lauren." My mother wrote it three months before she passed. I'll never forget.

12:02 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Stephen Parrish said...

Sign me up as one more tooth collector.

Street people fascinate me. I wonder what their childhoods were like, how they ended up where they did, whether any family members are looking for them.

Oh, and sign me up as one of your readers who soak up inspiration from your blog every day.

12:14 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Melanie Avila said...

I'm a pack rat at heart, but the past couple moves have forced me to purge a bit.

I love making up stories for people I see in public. It drives my husband crazy when I ask him what he thinks those people are talking about, or what does he think the dynamic is in their relationship. I need to know these things and since it's rude to go up to strangers and ask, I make up my own versions of the truth.

12:38 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Travis:
I am disorganized in life. And disorganized in writing. BUT, I am disciplined in both, if that makes any sense (and to me, it does. Perhaps it's a future blog post.).
E

1:15 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Spy:
Yeah. I get a lot of "Are you even paying attention to me?"
E

1:16 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Barbara:
That's how I feel about my characters for sure. But I also know it's certainly perculiar to writers--and certain KINDS of readers who get very invested in books.
E

1:17 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

ello:
I throw out BAGS of things but seem to acquire, with four kids, MORE BAGS of things.
E

1:17 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Stephen:
How very nice of you to say . . . I get inspired over at your place too. Though about 50% of the time, the politics make me crazy, too. LOL!
E

1:18 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

melanie:
Moving two years ago was very cathartic for me in that regard.
E

1:19 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Merry Monteleone said...

I am a disorganized pack rat - like Travis, I'm only organized with my writing... I have the oddest things from my children, like a toilet paper roll (minus the paper) with "I heart mom" written in sparkly paint across it. Or a whole nativity set made out of toilet paper rolls - we're big on recycling obviously.

I have a box of momentoes in the crawl space along with a box of all of my old journals. And yes, chronic eavesdropper and people watcher... if they only knew what their life was like in my warped little imagination.

1:26 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Mark Terry said...

Ha! I can't say anything because, apparently unlike ALL OF YOU, I am not remotely weird. Not even a little bit. Just the rest of the world is.

Besides, what's weird about saving all your kids' junk? Then, when your kids are married and moved into their own house in their 20s or 30s or whatever, whenever you visit you can bring a bag of their crap and say, "Oh, I was cleaning house and just thought you'd want your stuff."

My parents were always doing that, bringing me things like medals I won in band competitions in high school and report cards from junior high and an entire assortment of totally worthless crap that I didn't want cluttering up my house either.

So really, what's so weird about that?

1:32 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Merry:
This Christmas you MUST post the toilet-paper nativity on your blog!!!!
E

1:54 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Mark:
I know. My father gifts me with my old crap all the time. I don't have the heart to tell him I toss most of it.

And then my kids will not tell me that they're tossing their old stuff.

And the family tradition of parents keeping crap will go on.

E

1:55 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Heather Harper said...

I have kids teeth, hair, and their rotted belly button nubs from birth. :o

6:46 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Heather . . .

Ick.

;-)

E

7:00 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Zoe Winters said...

Reverend Erica, it's been three weeks since my last confession...

I'm a complete hussy. I've been having several affairs for several years with my fictional characters. My husband is none the wiser. And it's not just heroes, villains too. I'm a very bad person. :P

Also, something you said made me think of my mom. I was always little for my age, and when we went somewhere like Shoney's my mom would go: "She's over 12, but can she still order off the kid's menu?"

hehehehe.

7:18 PM, July 13, 2008  
Anonymous dr. lecter said...

Those belly button nubs are actually very good with Hannibal's Cool and Creamy Artichoke Dip. I can send you the recipe if you'd like.

7:39 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Zoe:
I always feel like . .. well, karma-wise, I have to be honest. And it's important for my children to see ne honest--not just on the big things, but the little things, like accidentally not being charged for something at the grocery store and going back in and paying.

E

8:43 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hannibal . . .

Gross, Dude.

E

8:43 PM, July 13, 2008  
Blogger Jude Hardin said...

People talking on cell phones in public are great for writers to eavesdrop on. We get to hear one side of the conversation, and make the other side up.

Hannibal: Thanks for the offer, but I don't like artichokes.

10:17 PM, July 13, 2008  
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10:46 AM, July 14, 2008  
Blogger spyscribbler said...

Oh, Erica, on honesty, I love that. When I was in college working at a museum part time, sometimes people would try to sneak in without paying with their kids in tow. It was definitely my pet peeve and I'd stop it every time. If they'd come up with $3 and told me that that was all they had, I would've snuck them in. But sneaking in and not paying? Especially when every Monday was free? I hate when people teach their kids to be dishonest, totally my pet peeve.

12:00 PM, July 14, 2008  
Blogger Melanie Avila said...

Jude, I love doing that. :)

12:35 PM, July 14, 2008  
Blogger Alyson Noel said...

I collect unusual names, I shamelessly eavesdrop, I make-up stories about people I see in Starbucks, airports, wherever. I've also saved cards and letters that people have sent me through the years in a huge box and never knew why until three years ago, when I lost a dear friend, I was able to retrieve all those postcards and feel like I still had a part of him with me.

PS-Your children are beautiful with any haircut!

1:19 PM, July 14, 2008  
Blogger Mel said...

I think the teeth thing is creepy. They are in essence bones. Creepy.

But I still have the hair from my son's first hair cut. My daughter's first pair of hard shoes. For both, I have the cheap hats they give you at the hospital. For my son knit booties and hat. The outfit my daughter wore in her second picture. I kept the ceramic heart my mother made for me my first mother's day. It has my daughter's footstep imprinted on it. It's broken in half, but I still keep it. I helped my daughter type her first story and then I taped it up on my wall and saved it on my hardrive. Well, I could go on...

For my writing craziness...I still have a hard copy of my first novel. I wrote them on a typewriter. I have taped on my wall "Writing is a mental illness with pay."

I also easedrop.

I daydream all the time.

I laugh at the punchlines my character's give. Even go as for to say, "Oh, my god, I love her." Yes, I know I created the character, but SHE'S so loveable. I'm in love with every hero I write. I recently re-read my first published book because I missed my characters and wanted to visit them. I speak dialogue out loud to myself. In the car. So I won't forget it. Notwithstanding I have post-it notes littered around my house with great lines of dialogue written on them.

And the last confession, when I read I have a cup in the medicine cabinet holding my kid's wisdom teeth. Ya never know, she may need them back one day.

I got a story idea and wrote it down on an index card immediately before I forgot it.

9:03 PM, July 14, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Mel:
"I love her." So true. "They"take on a life of their own.

10:54 AM, July 15, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Alyson:
I regretI didn't save more old letters. Some I did and they were damanged in a flood. I do carry one card from my Grandma 24/4 i my Daytimer and take it out once in a while and re-read it though.

10:55 AM, July 15, 2008  
Blogger peter.w said...

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