Saturday, August 02, 2008

The Progress of Rejection

The short version to spare those who have heard it before. I wrote a novel in my early 20s. I sent a single query to St. Martin's Ruth Cavin (a legend). She requested the full. She kept it six months. I got a personal rejection saying my novel was too much a psychological thriller and not enough of a real "mystery" (which was what she was buying). It was a lovely rejection. She tossed in a compliment or two. I wasn't horribly crushed. Nonetheless, I didn't submit anywhere else. I also didn't complete another novel for a decade.

I kept writing. My reasons for not writing another novel and for not submitting were more about loving writing for writing's sake and not being terribly driven to get the thing published. I got several poems published, a few short stories published in literry magazines. I liked writing poems and short stories. But I just, for whatever reason, never had an idea for a full-length novel for a long time. FInally, I did come up with what I thought was an idea that I could write 300 pages about--and one I thought might actually sell someday. I started it. Midway through, I got Shiny New Idea Syndrome. I wrote Spanish Disco in six months. It sold in a couple of months. I've sold, including those not out yet and in the pipeline, about 25 novels since.

But I still get rejected. I shoot out proposals that don't sell. I start books that I never finish because I lose interest . . . I have massive doubts and highs and lows. But I do admit my first sale was not one of those agaonizing "I had 99 rejections and the 100th submission sold" stories.

However, I have LOTS of writer friends. And I see every sort of personal journey on the way to a sale. And I definitely think there is a progression of rejection. I think you go from form rejections, to personal rejections. You go from bland "not right for my list at the time" to comments and "I'd be willing to look at this again." I think you start knowing you're getting closer when no one tells your agent, "This writer can't write" and instead says, "They're a great writer, but I just don't love the book." Tangible and very real reasons for rejection start occurring--very often having less to do with the book's flaws and MORE to do with personal taste on the part of agents or editors.

And then you come to a different place. I think you come to a place where you start to see it as a business decision. A passion decision. You start realizing you can, indeed, write, but your book will not be for everyone. I have a work in progress where the mother is so awful, so wretched a person . . . that I know there are editors and people who just will not be able to enjoy the book or appreciate it or feel passionate about it. It's a book that may make a reader wince in spots. I can't write the book any other way, and so I am okay with whatever the outcome is.

So do you see progress as a writer with also progress of rejection? Do you think they're related?

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Blogger Mark Terry said...

Absolutely. And I now routinely just view them as "not quite right for us at the moment" rather than "you suck, why are you wasting my time?"

Of course, being published at all goes a long ways toward getting rid of the "you suck, why are you wasting my time?" sort of rejection and any kind of obsessive feelings you might have (because really, a form rejection that says on paper, "No thank you, not for us" does not HAVE to translate in your head as "you suck, why are you wasting my time?"

That isn't to say that I don't have low, self-doubting moments where every rejection seems to be saying, "you suck, why are you wasting my time?"

Of course, "you suck, why are you wasting my time?" doesn't have to be restricted to writing. I might have days when the whole world, including my wife, my kids, my dog, my neighbors and the teller at the credit union all seem to be saying, "you suck, why are you wasting my time?"

You just gotta say, "hey, I don't suck, I'm great, and I'm worth your time, asshole."

Well, okay, you might leave the "asshole" part out.

11:39 AM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger Zoe Winters said...

Ah, this post really speaks to me, because I have gotten rejections (every writer has) but I don't have a shoebox full of them. I don't feel I've "paid my rejection dues" but that's because even though I've had some very nice rejections, it's not my goal to send out a bunch of stuff that isn't ready so I can add to "paying my rejection letter dues" I've written several novels that I never submitted and never intend to.

I'm at a place right now where I want to step back a little bit from the "submission process" and write what I love as well as I can, and give it away to readers at first, mostly to share it. Then if I build some demand, fabulous, I'll go from there.

I guess to me it comes down to, publication isn't going to scratch an itch for me unless we're talking a really GOOD deal. And I understand with the nature of the business, this almost never happens for Nancy Newbie in the current publishing climate.

More and more publishers are offering very small advances for first novels. And I understand that. It's business, not personal. Yet at the same time, I feel like a bad deal is a stupid business decision for me, when I can reach readers for free, to scratch THAT particular itch.

So I've got two different itches here in this process. One I can scratch all by myself. The other I'm sure will get scratched when I've got something worth taking notice of. Cause frankly, if I'm not savvy enough and not writing well enough to get people to read my stuff for free, then it's silly to try to go any route in which I expect pay.

2:00 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger Zoe Winters said...

Ack Erica, sorry that was so long. I didn't realize how verbose it was until after I hit send.

2:01 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Mark:
Thank you so much for sharing . . . because I definitely can go those places where the whole entire WORLD says that to me. I don't intend to . . . but sometimes when you dress a little differently, think differently, even worship differently, you feel like the world is sending you that message when really? The world may not be at all.
E

2:32 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Zoe:
That's the first time I've read you write about that route where I've felt like I understood it better.

I do feel some of the rejection process is a "no, this really should NOT be published" at first--a true gatekeeping system. Just because someone CAN give it away for free or self-publish doesn't mean they are ready to. But THEN, yes, I feel like it becomes, "Right writer, wrong book" and that is less about gatekeeping and more about individual editorial taste. If that makes sense.

But the idea that it's about sharing and scratching that--totally understand.

E

2:37 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger Zoe Winters said...

hehe Erica, yeah I'm not sure I always come off as not shunning trad publishing. Why would I bite the hand I eventually wish to feed me? It's just more important to me to get my stuff in front of readers (and get the associated necessary feedback from said readers which will help me improve) then chasing the regular path with no track record or reason for someone to invest in me enough for it to be a good business decision for me.

I don't expect the world to hand me things on a silver platter or not to work for it. But without a good deal that will actually make me money, it's a poor business decision and it's tying up my work and keeping it away from readers during that long grueling submission process.

I believe if you sell yourself for little when you do sell, you show you are willing to take little, and many get into that rut of bad advances and little promotion. It's just not a headache I want. Unless I can make real money doing it, I'd just as soon carve out my own path.

3:07 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger spyscribbler said...

I always feel so embarrassed, almost ashamed, I haven't experienced that yet. (See, I can't even identify the "that!") I was just lucky the first time and found two perfect homes. I'm game to get out to other pubs, but no non-pseudonym idea has grabbed me and sustained me through a whole novel yet.

I'm pretty sure I won't care what the rejection is or why it is, I'll just be relieved I'll be able to say someone rejected me. If nothing else, I'll be able to join in the conversation!

4:08 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Spy:
You can't win if you don't play. (Isn't that the slogan of the Lottery?)

E

4:12 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger spyscribbler said...

Very true, LOL. My better sense has been better, lately, about kicking in and mocking myself, asking if I'm seriously going to waste three to six months of writing time solely for the sake of a status symbol.

While I care way too much for my own good what other people think, I'm trying to get better at not wasting my time with it.

5:24 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

spy:
My Baby Girl just thirty minutes ago had another "Mean Girls" incident. Inside I just feel sick by these middle-school girls who rip into each other with just nasty, hate-filled ways, and it sucks, big time, to be a sweeter, softer person. I see the seeds there of caring forever what people think of us. If I could rid myself and my children of one thing, that would be high on the list, that care of others' opinions. I try to model not caring about it, but I can't say I never feel the pang.
E

5:29 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger spyscribbler said...

No!!! Oh, man. I remember I was made fun of in second grade and third grade. One day, even my best friend joined in. She later apologized; I think I felt more bad that she felt so bad about herself for having joined in than I felt about her for having "betrayed" me.

I see this, sometimes. What is so ODD to me is that alone, I can love each student and really like them. And then when I hear about them behaving that way toward another peer, it's so hard to reconcile that behavior with the person I know them to be.

Ohmigosh, there is a book I am DYING for you to read. Oh, gawd, I can't remember what it's called. I hate most books about children and teaching and parenting because they're written by Ph.D's whose heads are clueless up there in the clouds, but this one was GREAT. I'm going to Borders right now. If it's there, I'll find it for you!

6:15 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger Jude Hardin said...

I try to keep the business side of things at the forefront. I want to write something that will sell, you know, and at the same time avoid being a "sell-out." If that makes any sense.

9:36 PM, August 02, 2008  
Blogger J said...

What I always wished for with a rejection was a one- or two-line note. Such notes were few and far between, but over the years I grew because of those little notes.

After years of rejection, I did have a book accepted. It is The Body in the Record Room to be published in October by St. Martins/Minotaur and guess what? Ruth Cavin is the editor.

I have no idea if I'll ever have another book published, but even the first one came about because of the little notes I received with a minority of, but still some of the rejections. --Joe Barone

8:28 AM, August 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

spy:
I struggle to reconcile it too.
E

8:37 AM, August 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Jude:
That makes total sense.
E

8:38 AM, August 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

j:

CONGRATS! What a great story.
E

8:38 AM, August 03, 2008  

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