Friday, October 03, 2008

So You Want to be a Writer?

Oldest Son loves math. He loves theoretical math and physics, and he does things in his head that would send the average person running for a calculator (I know I still need to "carry the 1"--he never does). His new goal is to go to MIT and be a math professor. This week, for his gifted math class, they each had to interview one person who uses math at his or her job and tell the class about it, make a poster, and so on. Oldest Son chose my friend, Richard, who is an engineer. Richard graciously came over last night and the two of them did problems--talking about psi and cylinders and air pressure in cylinders and calculating it. FUN TIMES! (If you like math.) Then the most important question for the report: Oldest Son asked "What qualities do you have to have in order to do your job?" The qualities Richard listed were "likes math, enjoys taking things apart, pays attention to detail, very organized." The last two basically eliminate my kid from the job. So I said something along the lines of "He's good at theoretical physics and less so about that whole organized thing." And that got us talking about Myers-Briggs and where a theoretcial physicist falls on the scale (creative AND mathematical). Which brings me--of course--to writing.

What qualities embody the writer? I always think I'd list curiosity. Loves words and English. Observant. But I think I've been doing this so long, that there are parts of it that I have come to accept aren't things you can learn. There are some people who might want to be a writer, who will churn out manuscript and short story after short story, and there is some essential element that no amount of practice . . . can remedy. On the flip side, we always say "never give up." It's a mantra. We talk (as yesterday) about how we grow and develop and so on--we move on from the crap we write to better crap. But maybe the career path is different with writing. There's no real certification process. You can't learn a formula. No memorization. It's more intuitive. (And yet is it any more intuitive than looking at an engineering problem and knowing how to solve it?)

Now, as an aside, as a mom, I sincerely believe in helping my kids shoot for extraordinary lives. When Oldest Daughter decided at 3 to be a violinist (and believe me, she decided at 3), I had no idea that would mean sacrificing for 18 years and scraping together every cent for violin lessons and an 18th century violin. But . . . here's the thing . . . she had perfect pitch at 3. So there was "something" that couldn't be taught, and an innate LOVE--absolute love--of music--she would literally be ILL without music. And I don't mean that in some casual sense. It would make her ill. She has something that can't be taught--but NOW it's all about how hard she works at college, where she is in the first violin section of the upper-level orchestra at music university. She practices HOURS a day.

Same with son . . . math is who he IS. It's how he thinks about the world. But I can see with my own eyes he is theoretical about it, verus being a pocket-protector-wearing organized person. I'm still trying to intuit where this theoretical love of math can go--physics of course comes to mind. If you know me and know my blog, you can imagine my sheer delight that I might have a theoretical physicst on my hands--but . . . I can "see" that he thinks in x way versus y way. Innately. Baby Girl . . . it's art. She sees the world in colors and art and beauty. It's my job to now figure out how to nurture what they were BORN with. So I do have some beliefs about this writing thing born on the "laboratory" of the family.

So today I toss it out there. What qualities do you think you need to be a writer. And are there some that are innate? What can be learned? What's talent?

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Blogger Richmond Writer said...

Wow, it's nice you figured out what your children are good at and support it.

I think the most innate thing a writer has is the desire to entertain their reader/listener. Is the person writing because he/she want to tell their story or is the person writing because she/he wants to entertain you.

You liken writing to Method Acting. To do this a person must step outside the boundaries of who she is. What is innate is the willingness to create the story that entertains the reader not draw attention to the writer by constantly asking the question, "am I a good story teller?"

It's easier to see and "know" what's right than it is to do what is right. That's why it's an innate talent.

8:37 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Jude Hardin said...

I like the way Stephen King breaks it down: bad, competent, good, great.

You can't teach a bad writer to be competent, and you can't teach a good writer to be great. But, you CAN teach a competent writer to be good.

In order to achieve competence in the first place, I think you have to be born with a certain "ear" for the nuances and rhythms of language, and particularly of the written word. It's just a fact that some people are better at it than others.

8:54 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Amy Nathan said...

I think what links all good (decent) writers together is the ability to tell a story, to put words together in a coherent manner and make themselves understood. The latter, is, of course, subjective. There can be a person who writes well and writes about technology and makes bytes sing. Someone might write about math and your son would be riveted. Some like the obscure, some like the literal.

But in the mind of the reader, the words flow and make sense and bring a semblance of peace.

8:55 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Richmond:
Very neat analysis! I weave stories for me, first, I think. I like my fake worlds. Then I guess I make sure it's entertaining for my reader.

E

8:56 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Jude:
I never heard that before. Interesting, and I think probably pretty true.

E

8:57 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

amy:
I will laugh out loud and physics stories (the really good science writers out there). Love 'em. And what they have that I see as a fiction writer is the ability to find the absurd, or the scrap of dialogue that's just hilarious, or the right edge of sarcasm. It's the ear for what's story in the vastness of their subject matter. Which if you think about it is akin to a fiction writer knowing innately what's back story, and what must come to the forefront and sing.

E

8:59 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Stephen Parrish said...

Several thoughts. You must be introduced to your one true passion early in life (I think before the age of ten). A relative of mine who hadn't read a novel in over twenty years (the last one was Huckleberry Finn which he assessed as "stupid") decided, when his technical career went splooey, to become a novelist.

Naturally he failed despite working very hard at it.

I think if a person asks herself "Should I be a writer" the answer is no. If you should be a writer, if writing is your passion, your destiny, then the question never occurs to you.

An eighteenth century violin? I'm all for doing the best for our children, but goodness!

9:07 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Stephen:
I actually mis-wrote. It's from 1865. My error. But yeah. It cost more than a car.

And interesting . . . yes. When she was studying, as a child, at a university, they had a lot of articles in the music department about how, if you took up music past 12, any chance of being a concert violinist or pianist was lost because of synapse pathways, and I remember one article discussing Michael Jordan--and how he couldn't take up baseball successfully for the same reason. I am sure there is something to it.

E

9:15 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Mark Terry said...

Oh boy, nature versus nurture. Hmmm...

Let's not go there today. Not enough time.

What do I think are good qualities for a writer?

First, you have to love to read. Not LIKE to read, but LOVE to read.

Second, you need to have a compulsion to complete things. On any given day I might argue that having a specific type of obsessive-compulsive disorder might be useful.

Third, curiosity.

Fourth, persistence to a point that borders on megalomania.

Fifth, arrogance that borders on megalomania. And lest I get slammed for this, let's think about what you're expecting from the reading public. You are, essentially, asking the reading public to invest money and time in your daydreams. What would ever make you think your daydreams are better than anyone else's?

Sixth, I suspect that the majority of storytelling ability is innate. Not all of it, but most of it. There are some terrific writers that can't tell a story worth a bucket of warm spit. (sorry, I was thinking about vice presidential nominees). Although I think it can be honed and improved, I'm not sure it can be developed out of nothing.

Seven, hunger. Not physical hunger (necessarily), but you have to really want it, because it's one of the toughest things in the world to break into and stay in.

Eight, an ability to stay in a chair. There are people who can't. They can't sit still. They might love to write, but every five minutes they're up looking out the window or fidgeting or needing to go outside for a walk or run or bike ride or whatever. Ass. In. Chair.

Nine, some business sense. I know, I know, but really, I know some good writers who would make a much better living if they just would pay attention to the money.

Ten, oh, writing ability, I suppose. Talent is the world's cheapest commodity, but having some ability is a good idea.

9:17 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Mark:
Well, cut and paste that, and there's yoru blog post for the day. AWESOME! And I agree with every single one. Especially the daydream one. You're right. I hadn't thought about it, but you are 100% right.

E

9:24 AM, October 03, 2008  
Anonymous jenifer said...

I'm an engineer/writer, and I have no idea what makes either, but I can tell you from personal experience that a very disorganized person can be a good engineer. :)

Nothing wrong with math professorship or theoretical physics, but if your son likes math and physics and tinkering and thinking up good solutions to problems he shouldn't turn away from engineering because of a severe lack of organization. Richard may need to be organized to be an engineer (which is perfectly fine), but it's not a necessity for all of us! :) Sure, it's occasionally caused problems when I need to revisit a project from several years ago and can't find the files, but that's not directly an engineering problem.

9:34 AM, October 03, 2008  
OpenID melissablue13 said...

Fifth, arrogance that borders on megalomania.

Hands down I agree with Mark on this point. There is something that makes you think you're writing is good enough to get published. At the same time when you don't think it's good enough to be published you seek out help to make it good enough to get published. In my eyes that creates a sense that you know you are GOOD.

Famous words from Jennifer Crusie, "I'm a great writer."

On some level you have to belive this or you're doomed before you start. It'll be the wall you come up against again and again.

Sidenote: This feeling isn't to be confused with knowing you're better than another writer. It's knowing YOU are good.

The other qualities:

Observant
Emphatetic (sp?)
Patient
You love to read~ which is why I think I've given my daughter the writing bug. She reads like there is no tomorrow.
Persistent i.e. Stubborn
Drive~ I think this is one of the main IT factors. You have to write. You want to be published and you keep going. Even if you love writing, but you don't have drive then you really have nothing.

Here's the most imporatant quality:

Must have the ability to dream big and small~ this ties in closely with persistent or at least what motivates the quality. When you dream of holding your book in your hands you keep going despite the rejections, the upper-cuts to the chin and so on. If you dream about your characters and they won't leave you alone until you write them. The dream is pretty and fuzzy and it keeps reality at bay and I have to say it keeps you saner than other people.

Or maybe it's just me who thinks writers are grown-ups who never lost their wild imagination.

Now I'll stop before this becomes a novel.

10:03 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Thanks, Jenifer!!!

I always think there are ways to compensate for what we're not terribly good at. I am working to develop some life skills with him for being organized. But I know he'll always be the guy with papers falling out of his briefcase. And I can tell you the apple definitely doesn't fall far from the tree! LOL!

My main thing with him is to expose him to theoretical physics, expose him to the idea of being a math teacher, expose him to engineers, to computer programmers, to game designers (he likes video games and anime/manga), and to architects and anyone else I can think of who uses math. I try to play a lot of chess with him. In the same way my daughter gets ill without music, a day without math in like a day without sunshine in that kid's life. So it's nice to know there are all kinds of engineers out there. :-)

E

10:05 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Richmond Writer said...

I love that comment post, Mark. Especially the "invest money and time in your daydreams."

10:06 AM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

melissa:
The stubborn and persistence factor can never be underscored enough. It can be a VERY disheartening biz. You make great points.

E

10:17 AM, October 03, 2008  
Anonymous LaDonna said...

Wow, Erica, love the comments. I knew fairly early in life, by ten, that I loved to create story. For me, I was a born storyteller but knew absolutely nothing about the nuts and bolts.

I'm still learning, but quite happy in my right-brain way of doing things. Writing is a gut-thing with me, and as long as I'm happy creating it's all good. I couldn't write, though, if the passion wasn't there. That's the deal-breaker for me.

I love how you support your children too!

12:33 PM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

Hi Ladonna:
Passion for any pursuit is so important!!!
E

12:56 PM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger spyscribbler said...

I met one of my best friends in college at about 3 am. I'd be at the end of my day, she at the beginning, and we'd sit and pour over her calculus problems until 5am or so. Case had this INCREDIBLE honors calc class that was totally unlike the calc class. It was, like, real-life problems. So much fun! This professor won a national prize in teaching, but they kicked him out because he didn't write a paper. So when honors calc was finally offered again, two years later, I got this guy who mumbled at the board and couldn't speak english, and I dropped it in weeks. It wasn't fun like it had been.

Twenty years later, and I'm still bummed, LOL!

PS: She went to MIT, then Harvard, too! After being a young artist on viola at CIM and doing her senior year of high school at Case, LOL.

Oh, the question. Imagination, empathy, love of story, rhythm. I'm not a huge believer in talent. Some of us just have to work harder and take longer to learn things. But I gotta be honest: I sure struggle with non-fiction. It takes me FOREVER. What is UP with that?

2:03 PM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

spy:
I love those amazing teachers and profs who come along.
E

6:03 PM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Robin said...

Does this mean my kids are destined to be professional whiners?

I agree with Mark that to be a great writer you need to be a great reader. They both connect to a love of language.

I've written since I was a child, but didn't find my niche until I began writing "comedy" and linking it to the work I love. I can tell my writing became really good (there's some megalomania, Mark) when it became an extension of who I am. Perhaps all good writing contains a little piece of a person's soul.

9:27 PM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Realmcovet said...

I think it is hard for a writer that was born with the talent to explain to others what makes a good writer....no one ever explained it to them, it's just been "putted" there by the hand of destiny, I s'pose.

Lovely topic to speak about! :)

1:25 AM, October 04, 2008  
Blogger Zoe Winters said...

Do you think maybe your oldest was a violinist in a previous life? I can't help but think this isn't her first life with a violin in her hands.

And yes hahaha I know you would LOVE a theoretical physicist in the family.

For writing I think you need to be able to be very inward about things. You need to be able to understand human psychology, motivations of yourself as well as others. You need to have an ear for dialogue and an ear for the rhythm of words.

You need to be able to touch people emotionally. The amount that can be learned and the amount that can't. Who knows? Some people truly do start out horrid and then get publishable. Some people just don't have it in them. But there is just no way to tell who falls into which category.

2:14 AM, October 04, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

robin:
I think a lot of people try deifferent genres until they hit the one they were meant to write.
E

12:18 PM, October 04, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

realmcovet:
I agree with you, just as my daughter hears me sing and says "Don't you HEAR how you are off-key." And I don't. I know I don't sing well, but my ear doesn't hear it even though I lOVE music and have 3,000 songs on my iPod. No amount of training can compare to her natural gift.

E

12:19 PM, October 04, 2008  
Blogger Erica Orloff said...

zoe:
I think my daughter is an old soul, that's for sure.

I agree with you on the "ear for dialogue." I know my dialogue reads naturally, and I know what's clunky when I read something not particularly well-written, and it's the cadence . . . it's the whole naturalness element.

E

12:21 PM, October 04, 2008  

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